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I never thought I'd enjoy a Presidential Inauguration as much as I did JFK's in 1960, when I was a kid and I saw it on a black-and-white television
The Most Revolutionary Phrase of Obama's Inaugural Address: Including "Non-Believers"
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This struck me as "revolutionary", too. It was nice to be included...
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It was nice to be included...
Wait I thought he was talking about me! :-))
It is refreshing isn't it?
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The pundits were saying he kept his oratory turned down and couldn't understand why. I thought maybe he was beginning to be who he will become more and more. Besides that crowd was fairly close too hysterical. Oh yeah when was the last time you spoke to around two million people?
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hi Hippiechick,
you should be included. you are deserving of the same rights, including that of freedom of belief (you thought I was going to say religion -lol ) as I or anyone else does. I'm happy to see that Obama believes in all Americans as one America. we have once again come to the mountaintop, the rest is up o us; he has handed us the tools.
Doug
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You are a good man, Doug.
we have once again come to the mountaintop, the rest is up o us; he has handed us the tools.
Agreed. It has been an amazing day...and the first step of the long journey...
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I was happy that he meant everyone, no matter who you are or your beliefs and non-beliefs, we are all in this together. I'm already happy. The key to success is understanding who you're dealing with, that is the stepping stone.
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I was happy that he meant everyone, no matter who you are or your beliefs and non-beliefs, we are all in this together. I'm already happy.
Exactly. Me, too.
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Happy I think I remember that feeling. It's been a long eight years since is has visited. The one thing I know is that it can't be manufactured nor purchased.
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Not only did he mention non-believers, he also mentioned gays and straights. Being that I have a family member that is gay, that was important too.
Also, noticed that there was a Gay and Lesbian Marching band in the parade.
This is inclusiveness that I like. ALL AMERICANS, not a divided America.
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Yes, the message of inclusion is hopeful. We are all Americans.
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His father was an atheist...he has a bit of everyone in him!
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As an atheist it was a stunning thing to hear. I don't believe I've ever heard a president say that before. It's certainly a step in the right direction.
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Inclusion...it's a beautiful thing! I like how he's so utterly unafraid of how it's received...he's got some ...uh, guts!
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omg, sounds like he's still on the campaign trail, I wish him well but I'm going to wait until he actually does something before I start slobbering like a two year old with a lolly pop.
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He is a realist. Give him enough time. It'll take more than 4 years to clean up the mess he inherited.
His speech was uniting !! That's what America needs !
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Personally, Clive any speech or debate Obama or any other candidate did at a church I purposefully ignored and I am a Christian.
I don't believe that a politician should campaign in or at a church of any kind. period.
So, I guess in answering your question Yes, I was turned off "by preaching from pulpits...."
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I came right up off the couch, my husband was clapping. It was a first for me to be acknowledged and it was nice. There is a real stigma when you tell people you don't believe, they either try to save you or attack you and think they can debate you into the church. It's awful so I never tell anybody. I'm stunned he preached from a pulpit and asked for a vote, any church he did that in should lose their tax free status, it is illegal. I seriously doubt he did however I'm looking into it further and if I can find proof I'm sending it to the IRS, they are doing an investigation of churches and campaigning from the pulpit. As to your other question, yes I am more likely to listen and be open to someone if they treat me (and my beliefs) with respect. I doubt I'd ever vote for an evangelical Republican but a centrist maybe - if I thought I wasn't being courted for my vote and in reality the person is thinking "burn in hell heathen slime" which is usually the vibes I get.
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As you can see in my above posting 1.20 it is very late -I am the husband, my wife was clapping- so I'm off to bed. Great day.
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I really am tired this is going to be short. Hold up, I did not say only Republicans would peddle their rhetoric for votes. All manner of politicians might do that, and I don't assume an evangelical necessarily would. I was just saying IF. You seem very sincere, we could probably have a good dialog but I'm beat so it won't be tonight.
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Clive, I am not a believer and quite content with it. Also skeptical of all politicians and yes they do pander, they want you to believe in them with out much proof.
For me not a conservative or liberal issue, more one of truth, something all politicians seem to have issues with.
I have voted for members of both political parties, and some independents in the past. Some have done a fair job, some a good job at getting re-elected and not much else.
I don`t vote for a Priest, pastor, reverend, the less I hear about religious beliefs in a political campaign the better.
My moral values seem to be a lot higher than some of either party, conservative or liberal, and I don`t attend church and have no intention of entering one, dead or alive.
If your going to talk the talk, walk the walk, don`t change your story line when you get caught. LOL I was in favor of John Edwards campaign, glad that didn`t happen.
The face of America is changing, those that can`t adapt well usually have problems.
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"Obama campaigned by preaching from pulpits in black churches on Sunday mornings and said things like "vote for me and usher in a new kingdom of God"?" -Clive's Staples
Clive, that, as a candidate for the highest political office in the land, our now new President Obama campaigned from the pulpits of Black Churches or any other Houses of Worship doesn't seem in any way immoral or unethical, but rather practical. He surely cannot be the first politician to speak at a church gathering or other religious gathering. Religious believers have the same questions as other members of the electorate and to have their questions answered in a religious forum seems only appropriate.
Clive, while I tend to think you yourself are campaigning, (not from the perspective of the Christian center or left as Obama may likely have, but rather for the Religious Right which is not an accusation of wrongdoing, just a strong impression), I have this question for you:
Where and when did now President Obama say "vote for me and usher in a new kingdom of God"?" Do you have any actually links or sources for that quote or were you just paraphrasing something that you or someone else read or heard candidate Obama say? And if you were, can you link or source the original statement so we can judge for ourselves as to the accuracy between your statement and his?
Thank you.
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I too felt he included mein his inaugural address. It electrified me when he included non-believers. I have never cared so much who got elected as I have this past election... it always seemed the lesser of two evils. I have never been this excited about an incoming president.
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Obamas father was not an athiest he was a muslim His mother was the Athiest. Obamas father went back to Africa and was killed in a car wreck. He did not abandon him as some believe.
Now as to this religion thing some want to question in his speech. There was no reference in it that was not benign. His only refrnce to religion was this passage.
For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus — and non-believers. We are shaped by every language and culture, drawn from every end of this Earth; and because we have tasted the bitter swill of civil war and segregation, and emerged from that dark chapter stronger and more united, we cannot help but believe that the old hatreds shall someday pass; that the lines of tribe shall soon dissolve; that as the world grows smaller, our common humanity shall reveal itself; and that America must play its role in ushering in a new era of peace.
Nothing there that faintly resembles pandering to one religion or another. He was talking about the diversity we have here in America from which we can all be proud.
It is not often a man comes along who has the ability to quiet a crowd as big as this one. When he got to the meat of his speech they became quiet and listened to every word he said and that was important because there were some sobering things he said. He is not going to do this for you. You have to do it. He will be the leader but we are all a part of the overall solution.
What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them — that the stale political arguments that have consumed us for so long no longer apply. The question we ask today is not whether our Government is too big or too small, but whether it works — whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. Where the answer is yes, we intend to move forward. Where the answer is no, programs will end. And those of us who manage the public's dollars will be held to account — to spend wisely, reform bad habits, and do our business in the light of day — because only then can we restore the vital trust between a people and their government.
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Why is it that atheists feel so oppressed or "hated on" in this country?
George H.W. Bush: "No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
And that was from a sitting President. No one batted an eye. Try saying that about, for example... black people, and watch what happens.
Why must everyone be a victim in this country? It just feels like many atheists and agnostics are out looking for a fight.
Yep, we should just bend over and take it whenever a Christian tries to revise US history by claiming it was founded as a Christian nation, its Constitution was based on uniquely Judeo-Christian values, or McCarthyist religious incantations in our Pledge and on our currency were the work of the Founding Fathers.
Heck, even for such a historic inauguration of a minority President, the election campaign process involved a "faith forum" for the candidates that was staged to do little more than affirm that our potential presidents were, thank God, goody-goody Christians.
Sorry, but I frankly think it's a sign of absurd religious entitlement when atheists celebrating a president actually acknowledging them as Americans is met with "why are you guys picking fights?!"
As for campaigning at churches, the whole tradition is a bit annoying, though I recognize that doing so is good for rallying voters, since churches are culturally associated with community and listening doggedly to a guy talking at you from a pedestal.
I'm not trying to be flippant, but if conservatives just said "we see you out there atheists and you are Americans too" (which is how I personally feel as an Evangelical conservative Christian) would you be less hostile towards us and even consider voting Republican?
Honestly, I was a big McCain fan four years ago. I would've voted for the centrist, even semi-"maverick", McCain of four years ago. But, he cashed in his integrity for neocon brownie points for this election.
Heck, I even know several diehard conservatives who were all set to vote for McCain, but then got bats--- scared of the possibilities when he chose Palin as VP. So, the issue isn't as simple as "Democrat vs Republican," else party-affiliated voters wouldn't even need to go to the polls, just the independents.
If so, can we agree to just move past the obsession the Left has with pointing out any even minute connection between a Republican politician and a Christian leader?
Because there was a huge furor over Palin's exorcism and not a right-wing peep about Jeremiah Wright, right?
Most politicians, left and right, have associations with Christian leaders. Thus, your strawman seems especially fluffy in this case.
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Are you really THAT relieved to have the fact that you don't believe in the same thing more than 90% of Americans believe in (a Higher Power) acknowledged by a self-proclaimed deeply religious Christian?
Yes. After having a president who believes I'm un-American because I don't believe in his skydaddy, yes, I am indeed THAT relieved to have a president who includes me.
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I heard that and took notice, personally i'm somewhere in between but its good that he takes inclusion seriously.
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#2 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:37 PM ESTI was pleased that Hussein was used in the oath.
Me, too. Powerful statement, I think. We are who we are. And, we are all Americans.
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but did you notice that they used the "H." when they introduced him? i thought that was weird, since they used "Walker" when introducing bush. then used the "hussein" during the oath. wtf was that? a gaffe maybe?
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I think they're interchangeable how often was George called W? God I'm glad that simian is out of my life.
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They used the middle initial with Bush Sr and Biden too. Don't remember about Carter. Maybe they used Jr's full name to be sure it was clear he wasn't his father.
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This probably doesn't belong here exactly. I was noticing something else about the Obamas. First the pundits on MSNBC are entertaining themselves with word play and name dropping, pontificating and tsk, tsk tsking. The Obamas are all of them watching the parade, waving at the kids, showing big smiles and Dad saluting the troops. They are paying attention to what is occurring before them. The pundits are paying the most attention to their being clever.
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Ah, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! Thank you for that comment about paying attention to being clever!
It almost makes me with I watched TV, but I can't afford that level of brainwashing. YouTube is bad enough.
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TV's not bad if you use it as background. I have no family now and so I only get bits and pieces unless I go sit myself down for a full radiation.
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I think they're interchangeable how often was George called W? God I'm glad that simian is out of my life.
You call the President of the United States a monkey, then claim he was 'in your life'. You've got problems.
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I prefer not to look at his smirking face on TV, in newspapers or magazines. His looks remind me of a monkey. I'll be glad when he stays in Texas. I doubt that any qualified doctor would find me seriously in need. Not to say I don't have imperfections.
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Dont remind me that he will be here for a while, and he isnt Texan.
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With George H.W. Bush, I believe they pronounced his full name. Bill Clinton was William Jefferson Clinton. Jimmy Carter, interesting enough was Jimmy Carter (yeah, not even James, but Jimmy). Ronald Reagan was called Ronald Reagan.
Nice, if pedestrian speech. Glad he included non-believers (could have also tossed in "and believers of other faiths" but we got the gist).
Chief Justice Roberts could have used a bit of practice for his part. Both of them, actually, should have done a dry run or two just to get on the same page with the breaks.
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You call the President of the United States a monkey, then claim he was 'in your life'. You've got problems.
Monkeys don't exist?
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No problem with his name, why not use it? Because others have used it in their fear mongering? Sort of shows the level of their intellect?
LOL we all look a little like monkeys? Dang, might have something to do with that evolution thing? Or maybe just cheap dates?
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i agree. this was indeed revolutionary, and it speaks highly of obama that he included nonbelievers in his speech. i could have used a little (a LOT) less religiosity in the ceremony, but it was nice to at least be acknowledged.
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#3 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:44 PM ESTI was pleased to hear the Saddleback pastor include Yeshua's rightful name, along with the later variations on it. The use of Jesus is only a few centuries old because the letter J did not exist prior to that. Before Jesus, it was Iseus (which he also used, amazingly enough), which is Greek and means, "son of zeus." But his rightful name was Yeshua. It was the name he would have answered to, if indeed he actually existed, and this is the first time I've heard it publicly acknowledged in a formal ceremony.
And to think that only last year I was castigated for using it because I "must have some sort of agenda." LOL. I do. My agenda is to get the facts right.
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Yes, makes it easier to swallow the religion pill without gagging.
A nice touch, agreed.
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It was so perfectly done ..loved it !!
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#4 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 2:51 PM ESTI thought the MSNBC pundits were in the throes of advanced evangelical epiphany. If anyone was to religious it was that apostolic grew.
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the last prayer was unique though ..never seen so many laugh during prayer before that ending prayer ..giggles
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Wish I could have seen it!!! Maybe I can get the vibes vicariously!
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the last prayer was unique though
I loved the last prayer....very funny.
"We ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get back, when brown can stick around, when yellow will be mellow, when the red man can get ahead, man and when white will embrace what is right."
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I was rollin and seeing Obama laugh and then the crowd was sweet..They're walking down PA Ave =)
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I thought Jill was gonna walk too she got some mad hot boots on that were made for walking =)
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Actually, when all was said and done, the prayers were fine. After all, the tenor of the speech was inclusivity, wasn't it?
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neal242
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Comment collapsed by the communityI have heard the media pundits wondering where was that one phrase for the ages...like those of FDR & JFK.....
I think Obama is going for a more broader effect than a catch phrase for the ages. I think the times call for action for the ages rather than a few words stretched into a sentence or two.
If his speech is indeed relegated to those inaugural speeches soon forgotten then I think those who will deem it forgettable are short changing the potential action that Obama is going to strive for in favor of sound bytes and by extension short changing us.
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#6 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:07 PM ESTDon't you think that his strategy of multimedia will be at least as important? Also the old saw,"Actiopns speak louder than words."
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The meda needs catch phrases. They aren't able to deal with anything else in 30 second sound bites. Guess they forget the rest of us like the longer versions that actually mean something.
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I vote for the "we will extend a hand if you will unclench your fist" line...
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Good catch greck.
Or, how about...."to those cynics who are standing on quicksand, while everything is changing around them"...(or something along that line)
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golden gate, Obama only has a history of words, no history of actions.
TJM07 Uhm, ok, w/ever thanks for your comment. What's the point you're making.....that you're cynical and don't like Obama.....that's fine.....your point has been made.
I think the whole speech was full of 30 second sound bytes that the media can feed off from like the parasites they are......but seriously, I for one, don't live and breathe by sound bytes.
I'm all for picking ourselves up, dusting ourselves off and get busy with the remaking of America.
It's about time we get off our overfed, overindulged,overstimulated collective behinds and put a little bit more sweat equity into our country rather than sound byte side bar bitching.
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Well I'm glad you guys now feel included. Hopefully you won't get so bent out of shape now if someone says, "So help me God."
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#7 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:16 PM ESTHopefully you won't get so bent out of shape now if someone says, "So help me God."
Not bent out of shape, here. Never was. Just like our new President, I believe in inclusion.
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Hopefully you won't get so bent out of shape now if someone says, "So help me God."
Will you not get bent out of shape when you see a car with the Darwinfish bumper sticker?
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There are still a few to be included. GLBT. Will we ever have anyone of those in high office? What about the child of two lesbians?
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first thanks mr. prez, wadda ya know I'm allowed in the front door again...ty ty ty
and science is back!!!!! zippade yeah friggin do da, about time and lastly
it isn't the "so help me god"
thats great, no prob there man.
its the "so help me god you will live this way and no other because my book, god, preacher, clergy or just some dipstick idea I have says so"....
that gets in the way of us getting along so well.
See rick warren and the queen sarah for clarification on that iand if it isn't a clear enough a referance for ya, think on this one...
See the chief justice saying...
"uphold this office, faithfully" instead of...
"faithfully uphold this office"
see the dif? its there, you betcha, its there....
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"So help me God."
My mother use to say that in Spanish whenever us 3 kids(we're grown now,lol)would stress her out and we be like "UH-OH",lol..
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The "so help me God" my mother would say was always followed by bodily harm, as in "If you don't clean that room, so help me God, I'm going to kick your ass"
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Uh ok am I allowed to laugh-just wanna make sure?
I usually got the shoe,some moms for some reason love their shoes more than Imelda Marcos.
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When my grandmother got to so help me I never found out the last word because we all ran as fast as we could to get out of the house.
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LOL.I didn't have no where to go..like Eddie Murphy said once,his mom was like the Bionic Man,took off her shoe found you in the grocery isle,toot toot toot and whopped you in the head for talking back at her.
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God is nearly ALWAYS invoked as a threat. That's what's so sad about the whole religion thing. It's never nice.
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Yes, usually when parents say "so help me God" it's a BAD thing. For the record, I don't really care what anyone puts on their bumper, it's your car after all. I kind of like the Coexist one myself. I don't believe a person has to abandon religion in order to be intelligent - see Obama. In fact, that could be his GREATEST achievement. I don't like the idea of Dubya or Palin or some con artist representing all religious people, and as I have discovered on NV, not all atheists (is it athiest or atheist?) want to be represented by Michael Newdon. In fact, there was a seed from an atheist around Christmas time, and what do you know! Some athiests celebrate Christmas, say halelujah! For the record, I didn't vote for Obama, but I think we could have done alot worse (like Hillary, for instance). I never thought he was a Muslim, but if he had been that wouldn't have stopped me from voting for him. I'm a little more put off by his leftist liberal stance. But time will tell. Dubya actally made me reconsider my support for the Republican party, maybe Obama will get me to reconsider my opposition to the liberal agenda.
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"There are still a few to be included. GLBT. Will we ever have anyone of those in high office? What about the child of two lesbians?"
I think we've already had a gay President or two. Some think Lincoln was, then there's Buchanan. Not to be snippy, but there's no way a President could ever be the "child of two lesbians." Maybe raised by two, but a lesbian can't father a child. BTW, I don't have a problem with gay marriage, but apparently alot of other people do. If it can be banned in California of all places, well that says alot. You should start there, maybe a lawsuit under the 14th amendment. The next Roe v. Wade type case?
The "so help me God" my mother would say was always followed by bodily harm, as in "If you don't clean that room, so help me God, I'm going to kick your ass"
Heh. I'm sure my kids are convinced that Jesus had a middle name, and that it is synonymous with the act of making love.
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As the Daily Show reporter said last night, Obama's speech made "sweet, sweet love" to the English language.
Wow, can "that one" speak. I thought it was beautifully done. I loved the inclusion of "nonbelievers." I loved the historical references, and the ever-so-slight edginess of it. It was excellent, really, except where Justice Roberts bungled up the oath. Even that provided a light moment. Good stuff.
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#8 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:47 PM ESTdo you think roberts did this on purpose to make obama look stupid? i have to wonder. at the very least, its as if roberts didnt bother rehearsing it at all, when obama clearly knew it backwards and forwards, and corrected roberts mistakes.
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Is that what happened? I wondered. I think it was just nerves. I don't think anyone wants to be remembered for that gaffe.
Being in front of such a huge crowd performing such an important ceremony is bound to cause a little stage fright.
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yes, Loretta. Roberts misstated the oath. The error threw Obama for a bit of a loop, though, because he wasn't expecting it, and he kind of corrected Roberts -- quite smoothly, I think.
I doubt that Roberts did it on purpose, factcheckme. Perhaps it was nerves, I don't know. He'd have to be a fool to try something like that, and think that no one would know what really happened. I don't agree with his jurisprudence a lot, but I don't think Justice Roberts is a fool.
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I doubt it was purposeful. To me it seemed more like he realized in an instant that Obama was no simian George. The @!$%#'s going to hit the fan. Obama did mention the rule of law.
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Roberts clearly misstated the oath. A bad case of nerves, probably. Obama's accustomed to talking to big crowds, but not the judge, and it showed.
I think this speech is going to grow on people. Obama dissected the current situation as well as anyone could in such a short span of time, and laid out a vision if not a blueprint.
It was interesting to see Bush's countenance -- not the look of a man who can take satisfaction in a job well done, or who can even say with a clear conscience that he did the best he could under the circumstances. Such men (and women) don't need to spend their days trying to polish up their record for posterity, waging war on the future because they've already lost the present.
Those conservatives that continue to live in denial will certainly be getting a wake-up call.
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It seemed more like nerves than some right-wing conspiracy to make O look dumb
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Cmon, Roberts is a Bush appointee, not getting it right is the norm.
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He'll get a chance to correct himself in four years when he administers it to Obama again!
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I think Roberts probably tongue-tripped, probably nerves. But what if he DID do it on purpose? I mean, it's not like Obama can FIRE him!
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Obama has included many out LGBT in his choices for jobs (although not in his cabnet)...the day will come for the LGBT community!
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#9 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:57 PM ESTYes, one day perhaps we will have an atheist President.
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#10 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 3:58 PM ESTYou know anything is possible now,nothing is impossible if you believe in yourself and dreams it will become reality for all.
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A black person made his way to the presidency and immediately reached his hand to atheists, another group that suffers misunderstanding and discrimination, and lifts them up on Inauguration day, no less! This is a great day. I feel like we have gained legitimacy. And why not? Obama makes a practice of making bold statements that raise everybody up.
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Hey Joe,nice post and what a feeling.
Classic song for all to enjoy..
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Bebe-2488, thanks for the song. Just makes me feel good.
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Bebe-2488, thanks from me too! What a feeling! I watched the Neighborhood ball on TV last night. I have to tell you, it felt so overwhelmingly great watching and listening as Beyonce sang "At Last" while Barack and Michelle danced. I saw Beyonce talk about it and relive it this morning and I guess I had some tears. I work at home and don't see too many people, so it is very nice to share this exerience with all of you!
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Yes, one day perhaps we will have an atheist President.
Someday. Not within the next 20 years, though, I predict.
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No problem Talons and Joe my pleasure as I always leave a few videos for a few here and there for people to cheer up,laugh or feel good.
Got a secret too,my gf is related to her and the family were upset for changing her last name to Cara from Escalara.I told her like a month ago she never really changed her name but shortened it and she said Oooo yeah,lol..
But here's the the first ball dance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnOQfjWfxDQ
This song is originally sung by the great Etta James,Beyonce did well,no beautifully done with the song and plus her new album is inspired from her.Please watch the movie Cadillac Records,it's an awesome movie and Beyonce was great as Etta James.
This bring me to tears just watching,nice to see such love and romance between the two the song matches them well.
Like he said last night:"Now that's what I called Old School",lol..
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You know it's so sweet to see children in the WH again,what a beautiful family.
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#11 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:57 PM ESTI agree. It is wonderful to see the girls....they seem to really be enjoying these moments.
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Even though people will think I'm nuts, I like it that Grandma came with them too. It will normalize the girl's lives.
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Even though people will think I'm nuts, I like it that Grandma came with them too. It will normalize the girl's lives.
Not nuts at all. I agree. And I love the that they are calling her "First Grandma". :)
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Yeah. I'm glad they thought to include her. Why shouldn't she enjoy the White House along with the rest of the family? Her presence will have the practical effect of keeping the extended family close, something that speaks well of them and benefits their girls.
Here's to our First Grandma. May her life be long and her influence be profound.
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How about Joe's mother,so adorable you just want to wrap her up in your arms..He's like a lil kid and loves his family so much and not ashamed to kiss his grown sons in public and thats love right there.
The Lion is still roaring away,he's doing ok-I loved his hat,The Godfather of Congress,lol..cute.
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Yes to Grandma Biden too. Both of these families are great representatives for our nation. I enjoy watching them because their love and happiness is right up front for all to see.
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They're sure more like the families I know. My ex and her husband are like the Clintons, rich, smart with one daughter. No one I know is like the Bushes or Reagans.
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I want the girls coats for me to wear-sike,lol..they're the new style for J Crew fashion =)
Michelle's clothing weren't expensive as past First Lady's wardrobes-she looked wonderful and so did Jill.I though Joe and Jill,were cute last night too.
Damon Weaver,is still in DC for his Obama interview,yo Mr Pres,tell your peeps to call his peeps,lol..He also said that Obama should higher Joe the Plumber to work at the WH doing toilets and Nora laughed today on MSNBC,lol..best line she said she's heard.
- 1 vote
I'm sure Obama knew the oath. If the guy can memorize intricate speeches, he certainly knew. I expect it was just a gaff by Justice Roberts in his moment in the spot light. I thought it very gracious Obama helped him get his composure. I believe that is the kind of man we elected. His inaugural address which I thought was good, certainly wasn't as inspired as say his racial speech, but then... My thoughts on this was it was deliberate as the man didn't need to go for that one liner. His message was present all around him. Yeah, I loved the benediction. While not particularly religious myself, my father was a pastor and was used to including stuff like this to more humanize the event and I thought it really helped the closing moment.
- 4 votes
#12 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:16 PM ESTThe inspiration of his racial speech might not have hit the right note at the inaugural. He seemed to want to make the point that we all must work actively to change things. If he had soared too many would have adored.
- 4 votes
Last time I checked, non-believers were US citizens and have all the same rights as anyone else, Thank God!
Many non-believers do convert or become born again, and that is why we always keep an open door and compassion for non-believers as they are really only a few words and steps away to cross into people of faith.
Good job Obama, keep it up with such moments.
- 6 votes
#13 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:40 PM ESTTrue its. Remember you can only commit hate crimes against Christians in this country. Anything else and you can go to jail.
now if we can just get him to stop saying "may god bless america" all the time.
if there is a god, i dont think he cares much about governments and borders. "may god bless us all" would be a bit more appropriate, but it's still nothing more than a quaint tradition reeking of exclusivity.
- 8 votes
#14 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 5:50 PM ESTI honestly involuntarily said "thank you" to the tv screen when he included us non-believers.
This is a big point which most believers do not understand. When there is a diety mentioned in our pledge, our on our money, or in political events, or religious trappings (ie ten commandments) on public buildings it makes us feel like we are not welcome, we do not belong, or are not "true Americans. This is why the governments should not recognize a "god" because that picks one belief system (that is broken down into many) and excludes Americans who believe in a "goddess", follow Buddha, do not believe in anything, etc.
I would have liked to see much less religion in the inauguration, but knowing how much there was beforehand would not have stopped me from watching this historic event.
Jopocop, not to start a fight or anything but your comments after the first (and very appreciated) sentence came across as very condescending. Don't forget that many believers and born agains do become non-believers. And there is nothing wrong with either situation. It is personal and up to the individual. That's why we non-believers embrace and celebrate those who believe and do not judge or push their religion on others. Again no fight starting or judging.
- 9 votes
#15 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:39 PM ESTOf course non believers are people too!! They may be in the minority but just because I am a believer doesn't mean we can't all be friends. Can't we all just get along?
- 10 votes
#16 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:57 PM ESTI'm watching the inaugural address now and, I have to say that I'm touched and inspired by what President Obama said...
- 9 votes
#17 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:06 PM ESTI thought it was the perfect speech for the time. "Hope over fear..."
He is such an intelligent man. He sees beyond today.
Integrity. Insight. Inclusion.
- 8 votes
That one phrase shows the profound inclusionary quality of President Obama's vision. It represents a revolution indeed. Non-believers are people, too.
No more Division and Fear, What a Great Day.
- 9 votes
#18 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:07 PM ESTAl Roker,was like a lil kid seeing Obama and he responded back the "Weather is warm",lol..
Great Day indeed and some of the news networks look like they're ready to pass out,lol..more power to them whether we like them or not,they give us the news and they're doing their jobs.
They kept making fun of Rachel for her tears on MSNBC but they were all enjoying themselves.
- 7 votes
I'd rather associate with a virtuous Pagan than a Fanatic,hypocritical "Believer" no matter what faith they follow.
- 7 votes
#19 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:43 PM ESTI mentioned this in another post today, but what struck me most was that for the first time in eight years, the president didn't sound like an idiot. How cool was it. Clear consecutive sentences. Real words expressing thought-out ideas. It's just so flipping refreshing to hear.
- 12 votes
#20 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:23 PM ESTyeah, so refreshing...i guess fairly soon the pc police are going to be so far everyone's arses that speeches like this will be taken up by listing every possible religion, ethnicty, color, race, occupation, height, weight, eye color, hair color, and body type.
better yet, let's not specifically mention anyone and just talk about issues, this way no ones' "feelings" are hurt. its like the whoe world turned into grade school kids on the playground...
#21 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 9:37 PM ESTAnytime they want to drop God out of the conversation I'm all for dropping everything else too but if you are going to keep insinuating God into every area of our lives then you should have to name all the Gods not just yours.
- 4 votes
...the pc police are going to be so far everyone's arses that speeches like this will be taken up by listing every possible religion...
Or maybe we could even things out by inserting "atheist" into every speech that formerly had "God". That way we wouldn't have to be politically correct, as you wished, and everybody should be happy! Makes as much sense as mentioning Christianity but leaving out non-believers.
- 3 votes
really flub the oath heh..no telepromnter..and wow only Obama can say Hussein huh and just once mmmmmmmm that racist preacher was still back in the 60's what is lefties say..not progressive???clear consecutive sentences/// he needs to stop campaigning( speech) and learn he can mo longer vote present.I do wish him well but now he needs to realize its not Kansas anymore (Chicago) I see "citizens of the world" are burning Obama's pixs my my my I thought HE was loved by everyone
#22 - Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:38 PM ESTMary....it's called punctuation, and it's very useful. Try it sometime.
- 2 votes
You realize that it was the Chief Justice who flubbed the speech, right?
Instead of simply barreling through with the correct oath, Obama gave him time to correct his mistake.
- 3 votes
ANY THEOCRACY by any faith will always be a TYRANNY detrimental to the Rights of a FREE People.
- 5 votes
#24 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 12:30 AM ESTClive, the point you and other theists miss, especially Christians, is that nonbelievers pay additional taxes because your churches are not taxed at all. Your churches buy property at reduced rates in areas that should obviously be used for commercial purposes, and collect massive funds with little requirement to report what you do with all that untaxed revenue. I work for a non-profit, and we are required to account for every penny. However, if we were a church, we could legally claim that our expenses are not reviewable. On top of that, churches have been pushing one of the few limits on it's non-profit status by advocating candidates and parties. Nonbelievers are paying for these special privileges you enjoy. Throw around the undeserving victim accusation all you want, but your special status does in fact victimize this nation's citizens.
- 6 votes
#26 - Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:22 AM ESTI'll check back in tomorrow ;0) It's almost 10pm and I am getting ready to turn in to a pumpkin
- 2 votes
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