Franken Senate Victory Projected

Nice one, I'm so happy, I'm hoping after a couple years, he'll let a couple of those slip.

Whoo-hoo...I didn't really think anyone would take a hard look at the contested ballots.  Interesting that Coleman's people contested twice as many (and wrongly) as Franken's...is it just me, or does that seem to be a pattern across the nation? 

I heard from whine-y posters that the evil Democrats kept absentee ballots from military personnel (which were received sometime past the qualifying date) from being counted in a previous election, but they seem to be blissfully unaware of the various ways the Republicans attempt mass disenfranchising of likely Democrats.

Too funny. A comedian in the senate, an actor/body builder as governor and a clown as an outgoing president. Ok ok. A comedian, an actor/body builder and a clown go into a bar...

Actor? Arnold? Please////

You win. Still...

logdump:  I live in California, and I think he was a better actor than he is a governor :(

I'd rather see Sarah Palin as VP than this DB as a Senator! And thats sayin alot.  What is this country coming to?  This is a total sham...

You are so right, Snake, a total sham.  Counting ballots and choosing a Senator based on who garnered more properly cast and counted votes???  Only a left-wing, radical wacko would think of a stupid system like that.  Can he really get away with this in these United States???

Well, he was not such a good actor either...so that is scary!

Yup :(

This whole process of counting and recounting and challenging and recounting...you would think that in the US we could, at the very least, have an election process that is efficient and less complicated. 

So far, the only moves I've seen intended to address this are by a Republican in the Bush Jr. campaign, who promised to deliver Bush Jr. enough votes to take Ohio--his company manufactures voting machines (many with no paper trail so any sort of recount or checking is impossible) and there were many many reports of Democrats watching their vote turn in front of their eyes (and they had to be quick, to see it). 

I'm not willling to give up accuracy and accountability (even if I believe it is inadvertent vote-switching) for efficiency and simplicity.  But I am amazed every election at the inefficiency and almost primitive feel of the whole process.

Maybe its like childbirth.  Some things you can pretty up and try to assist or even hide with technology, but it always comes down to something that is basically...messy.

Now do you guys like him because of his positions on policy.  Because you think he is funny, which he is not, or because he is not a republican? I would imagine all of you dont even live in Minnesota...

Gee, Snake, that whole voting for our representatives concept is "a total sham" to you, and apparently if we have an opinion that we don't get to vote on--that is unacceptable, too.  Anything traditionally American (and legal) that you are in favor of?

No, Dharma girl you put words in my mouth.  I never said voting or counting votes is a sham darlin.  Get of your high horse.  I believe voting in a joker like Franken to the Senate is a sham, politics have become a sham, and that would be my freedom of speech, traditionally American.  And it is not your opinion Im attacking, because lord knows I have one about the matter.  My point is do you know anything about the man and his policy prescriptions, which would have to do with your level of ignorance and naivete.  And BTW you never answered my questions so Ill assume they are affirmative?

Snake:  The idea of putting words in your mouth is about as distasteful to me as your inappropriate and insincere endearment. 

Your entire comment was:

 I'd rather see Sarah Palin as VP than this DB as a Senator! And thats sayin alot.  What is this country coming to?  This is a total sham...

This story is ABOUT an election--people voting--and the recounts.  "This is a total sham..." in reference to this story does not sound like support for voting or making sure that votes are counted correctly. 

Suggesting that you only meant that it is a sham to vote in someone you don't like doesn't look more supportive of voting--the point of the election and the recount is to make sure the one with more elegible votes actually takes office, not to be sure someone you approve of is in; this is pretty acceptable American practice, and they seem to be focused on following all the election rules, but the word you use is "sham".  I wasn't suggesting you be prevented from expressing your opinion, I was commenting on the opinion you expressed.   I didn't actually have to be on a high horse to look down on it.

Your second comment ended with:

I would imagine all of you dont even live in Minnesota...

That certainly suggested that you had reservations, at least, about those who express an opinion when it was about someone they can't vote for (or against.) 

Under the circumstances, I don't feel any pressing urge to tell you what I like about Franken, or some need to defend my knowledge and sophistication.  You will assume whatever you like, but if you can assume after reading what I wrote that I would affirm anything you proposed without saying that I did, I suppose that speaks to "your level of ignorance and naivete."  Knock yourself out.

Once again assuming so much about what I am thinking.

Are you aware that there are discrepencies in the vote recount?

And yes I do have reservations about people expressing opinions about things they are uninformed on. Not if they can vote for them or not.  It would just be safe to assume that if you do not live in MN you probably dont know much about the policies and issues at stake.  Is that a fair assumption?

you are not pressed to address questions because you are not here for discourse, you are here to prove you are right. 

I made a statement to start conversation, made my postion clear and asked questions.

Sorry I pissed in your sand box, but you leave me no choice but to assume because you dont answer.  But answer them!  What do you know about the man?  Why do you support him?  What is your opinion about the vote discrepencies and the bizarre outcomes of this particular re count?  If you are not aware of them I can send you a link to many articles that you do not agree with. 

So my point is this isnt as clear cut as you say.  Not everyone that disagrees with you is stupid and ignorant.  It is possible this is a sham.

Why not, it could be, and imho it IS!

Snake:  My "assumptions" had nothing to do with what you were thinking, only what you posted, and I've said what I thought of that and why.  If you think you made your position clear and you don't like the message that I got from it, I think it is safe to say we disagree about that, as well as (likely) any number of other things.

 Because you think he is funny, which he is not, or because he is not a republican? 

The way you pile assumption upon assumption--and those specific assumptions--don't sound anything like "a statement to start conversation" to me.  Which is why I only told you what I thought of your posts, rather than attempting some sort of dialogue on the merits (which you also didn't start with.) 

 you are not pressed to address questions because you are not here for discourse, you are here to prove you are right.  

I am not pressed to address your questions because the way you posed them, particularly after your original statement, didn't imply some contemplated exchange of ideas.  You even seemed to suggest that the opinions of those who aren't in MN are somehow lesser, or suspect, simply because of that. It is too bad that you are clear that not everyone who disagrees with me is stupid and ignorant, but it apparently it hasn't occurred to you that the same might be true for your "humble" opinions.  I didn't suggest that everyone who disagrees with me is stupid and ignorant.  I don't believe I even suggested that you are, even though I wasn't impressed with your comments, assumptions or rationalizations.  As for "proving I am right", stating an opinion doesn't prove anything (whether I am the one doing it, or you are) even if I am able to share any of the bases for my opinions.  Since I am aware of that, perhaps that is what you are here for.  Good luck with that, if so.

 What is your opinion about the vote discrepencies and the bizarre outcomes of this particular re count?  If you are not aware of them I can send you a link to many articles that you do not agree with. 

If your "humble" opinion was based on something other than the information contained in the story this thread is for commenting on, its probably good that you got around to mentioning that.  If someone has any interest in debating with you, they probably need to know about it.

 It would just be safe to assume that if you do not live in MN you probably dont know much about the policies and issues at stake.  Is that a fair assumption?

I don't recall Viner's appearing to feel shy about telling me, and the world, all about California policies and issues when they live anywhere else, so I am not sure that I think it is.  Why should opinions about MN be held to a different standard?

 Sorry I pissed in your sand box, but you leave me no choice but to assume because you dont answer. 

Only neutered males are ever anywhere near my sandbox, so if you think you did, my condolences.  Nothing I do or don't do actually leaves you with "no choice."  You get to be responsible for your own assumptions, just like everyone else.

Since I am the only one who bothered to respond to your posts at all, it is at least possible that it wasnt clear to anyone else that you thought you

 ...made a statement to start conversation, made my postion clear.. 

either.  Perhaps now that you've articulated it directly, someone will choose to respond.  Someone who doesn't care that you start with the assumption that anyone who likes the idea of care being taken over the vote tallies but doesn't live in MN is uninformed, or that the reason someone would like a candidate you don't is because they have a faulty sense of humor, or are only partisan.

Be well.